She could have been honest about her history and told the Recruiter, who would have told MEPS, who would have requested a waiver, and she would have had a chance at a waiver by doing some additional evaluation. Because the military does not. PERIOD. Cookie Notice Stuck waiting for MEPS to process my info from Military to Military as well as MEPS to MEPS. I got LASIK a few months ago, I know the minimum time from surgery to MEPs has to be at least 6 months. So now I have to play stupid as if nothing happened at MEPS but clearly they know I said something at MEPS. That sent me down a long road of having to get a waiver for something that had no current medical basis and was utter medical fraud. I plan on waiting the 6 months. He might have been denied, or if he was approved, he would at least have been more prepared to handle the BMT experience. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Should I lie/not mention LASIK when I finally go to MEPs? However, herein lies the problem. : r/USMCboot. Telling them what I told the recruiter and what he told me. Own this and you may be surprised, if nothing else you will have evolved as a man. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Most major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and many are contentious. MEPS stands for Military Entrance Processing Station. Went to MEPS the next morning and everything was normal until medical debriefing. Let's all throttle back a bit. After a few weeks, he began to complain of chest tightness, shortness of breath, and tunnel vision, which are classic signs of Exercise Induced Asthma (EIA), a potentially disqualifying condition. Good luck to you. Any advice? 48.8K. Never got caught. Do you really think your little writeup is going to convince anyone dead set on lying? What should I do. Now I've been referred to behavioral health for depression. Be the first to receive exciting news, features, and special offers from Bodybuilding.com! My recruiter sent a 10 page report from the doctor along with the 'Refractive Eye Surgery Checklist' paper my recruiter gave me. When I went to meps, I went into a room with a doctor, he made me strip down to my underwear and told me to slowly spin in a circle twice, so they will most likely notice any major scars. uuugh, it was hot. I swear I've met more dudes getting chaptered in the infantry for mental problems (like a few guys are mentally insane) than I ever imagined. I genuinely had not considered that the way I'm acting could be considered morally suspect, or aggravating to the recruiter. Accidentally or on purpose are applicable. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. My experience: I told the truth about something that should have been a non-issue. My friend says I might be in danger for being honest. MEPS, Eye Exam, and Lasik It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. She went to the SGTs and the Chaplin professing that she lied at MEPs. That's just the way it happens. Free online program to promote the safety and well-being of military families. Disclose EVERYTHING. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Penalties for False Enlistment As stated on the Army enlistment contract you sign, lying at MEPS regarding medical or mental health history is a terrible idea with serious implications. Some typical things that people lie about at MEPS include: Medical History I have enough money saved to get the surgery, and I'm willing to wait the 180 days, but I don't know how available that waiver is, and my OR doesn't recommend doing anything that will create more hurdles for me to get past at MEPS, stating each hurdle decreases my chances of becoming an officer. Press J to jump to the feed. Having inconsistencies on your forms vs verbal answers is usually a major issue and will make it very difficult for you to get into the Marines now. I was completely honest and I served honorably for 8 years. Stupid kids want the power, the prestige, the money, the sweet benefitsthe military has a lot to offer. Option 2: Lie. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Last I knew, which granted was probably close to a decade ago, it was strictly forbiddenonly PRK was allowed. why worry about it if it becomes a problem deal with it then. It happened to be depression and medication for it. In my experience meps isn't that deep of a medical check and it's fairly disorganized. You might think to yourself, "How could he not know that he needed to disclose this information?" They determined she only had typical "walking" pneumonia, meaning she would just be held back for 1-2 weeks and join another BMT flight to graduation. 1) I have been told by my Officer Recruiter that I do NOT need any Letters of Recommendation for a package. I wouldn't recommend it (even ignoring the important integrity aspects of your question. Texted him asking if he got the paperwork and he said he did (at this point I knew a commander came in and talk to the two and now I know he is pissed). HELP!!! They asked him if hadn't told them EVERYTHING and this was his last chance. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. What will you do at PI or San Diego when the withdrawal symptoms hit? The purpose of this script is to help protect users from doxing, stalking, and harassment. She passed all the exams and was cleared, then went to BMT and performed well. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. Idk if the policy is 1 or 3 years, Ive encountered both. JavaScript is disabled. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. However, they also discovered that the member received some depression counseling about 2 years before her MEPS visit, which she conveniently omitted. While there, he experienced the emotionally stressful and physically demanding environment of being a Trainee at Lackland AFB. My only option is to wait another month just to go back to get a 'check up', costing me precious time and money again, without insurance, pushing back my MEPS appointment another month or two. Then to delete your comments, simply click on your username on Reddit, go to the comments tab, scroll down as far as possible (hint: use RES), and hit the new OVERWRITE button at the top. Anything that deals with flying can cause problems with some that have had Lasik. I informed my recruiter of this incident and he told me not to mention it to MEPS because it won't come back in a police check being so recent. Never saw him again. Our advice is consistently not to lie at MEPS. The lesson is that we need to make it impossible for people to lie. I'm guessing you're done. Processing Stations (MEPS) Your visit to a Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) determines your mental aptitude, as well as physical and moral qualifications for enlistment in the Army. Looking at your previous 11 posts it looks like you might be joining the Marines. If you can not look at yourself in the mirror in the morning it was the wrong decision. Unless someone wants to send the mods proof of their M.D., and dig into medical history, you have no business declaring whether or not anyone's medical condition is non-serious, important, real, or anything else. Learning has occurred - give it time to sink in. Please don't sabotage your own union's efforts on your behalf. I haven't seriously considered joining a branch since my accident in 2003, but it still crosses my mind from time to time. And yet when the recruiter tells them to lie so he doesn't have to do paperwork they always believe him that no one will find out. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. Lying will. I knew she couldn't hack it but she joined anyways). The main difference between them is that with LASIK, a corneal flap is created and replaced, and with LASEK, the top layer of the cornea is loosened, moved, and reattached. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Questions about joining the Marines? As a result, his history of mental health wasn't assessed by MEPS. Wait 1-3 years off the medication. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. We are going to have to start policing this, because it's becoming too common. What's the deal? Sounds about like what I figured. It does not belong to any particular service division. How do you think they would perform in a deployment, or at a remote assignment like Turkey or Greenland, or if they married and their future spouse later divorced them? The criminal background check and security clearance investigations can and do find sealed records. If they don't find anything during their examinations, you should be good to go. First, psychiatrists, psychologists, and sometimes doctors might not directly tell their patients their actual diagnoses because of the stigma and fear surrounding Mental Health. I'm certain they won't be. With his counselor, they decided he should try medication (Sertraline/Zoloft) for control of his symptoms. Applicants often need further evaluation or counseling before they can live the rigorous and stressful military lifestyle. (Navy). My dad said hell no, lost 60lbs and 6 years later has had zero knee pain. The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . And you'll be sidelined forever. or "Do you have a history of depression? Also, if that user name is actually your name it's a sign that you might not really be very good at this subterfuge thing. Below are abstractions of a true stories. MEPS consult will do the corneal mapping, so no, we don't just guess at the diagnosis. Did I Lie at MEPS??! Here is the Press Release. I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if its a no go or not . Hopefully by then youll be completely withdrawn from your meds. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. When we started to fill out similar questions with the recruiter I started saying 'yes' on some of the questions. No personally identifying information (PII). Station commander looked at my medical paperwork and said word-for-word: " You stick to the script. Any help would be appreciated. I know a guy who lied about lasik because he didn't want to wait 6 months and nobody at meps found out. The largest military subreddit on reddit. You will not be able to live the Army values and lead Soldiers in the future. What is the worst that can happen? Make it impossible to lie? 4,250. Press J to jump to the feed. It indicates, "Click to perform a search". I have been 100% honest with my paperwork. After about 2 months on the medication, he discovered that the side-effects of the medicine were worse than his symptoms and stopped taking it. You may need further evaluation or counseling before you can live a rigorous military lifestyle. See Article 83 UCMJ. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Dont lie. 03-10-09, 06:54 PM #10. redsox1804. This includes lying by omission (leaving information out) and lying by commission (purposefully misleading). Anyways I called him a few weeks ago telling him I am interested. Unless you know it's a legitimate issue that impairs your physical and/or mental ability to carry out your duties, don't say a thing. Handle this the right way, as you should all things. Lying at MEPS about medical or mental health history is a really bad idea with serious consequences, as stated on the Army enlistment contract you sign. Do people go to jail for lying at MEPS? ), Arborry Hill Road Company, LLC Copyright 2006-2023, Service Academy Forums is a registered trademark of Arborry Hill Road Company, LLC. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. There are many specific medical conditions that may disqualify you from joining the U.S. Military. I have ADHD and a prescription but function perfectly fine off the meds bc ADHD does not effect me much at all anymore. (if I do that then I would have to get all medical records I gave to them). Pretend now that either of these people had completed BMT without their prior Mental Health history ever evaluated. The paper requests numbers from the pre-surgery, 90 days after pre-surgery, and a month after that. So what are the lessons from these stories? I wasn't aware of the 3 months check. So I left his office and my recruiter took me to up to the hotel. Am I in danger like my friend said? Lost the navigator slot and was made a C130 mechanic. They don't understand how a broken leg or asthma when they were a kid can come back, they don't understand how mental issues are severely exacerbated under stress-- because they think their phone breaking is stress, and they dealt with that just fine. Though would documentation from a psychologist count as documentation from a doctor bc I dont know how familiar doctor at a hospital would be with something related to a different field of medicine. Messages. For both, it's to ensure that only qualified candidates enlist. You probably dont even have ADHD because they hand out those diagnoses to kids like Candy. I told him "no" because I did disclose everything with him if asked. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. If your eyes are otherwise healthy, the services will usually waive up to 5 diopters of cylinder (astigmatism). Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I was at SOI-West last summer. Overall, I have to say that I am troubled by the way you appear to be perceiving and interacting with the recruiters. JavaScript is disabled. Not sure why I didnt expect this or was told this. Come visit our wiki over in r/Navy. #12. The most popular bodybuilding message boards! I had the active prescription but wasnt taking them. Anyone with any experience or advice? He said that there is a good chance that I could lose my op 40. 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